Know your gun...here's why

Discussion in 'General Firearms Discussion' started by Broot, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Broot

    Broot Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2015
    Iowa
  2. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    Athens, Georgia
    Ooo Wee, that's gonna leave a scar!
     

  3. joe45c

    joe45c Well-Known Member

    Feb 20, 2011
    peru,ny
    I can see why they can't save much of his thumb, cause it's GONE!:eek:
     
  4. howlnmad

    howlnmad Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Nov 26, 2008
    Harriman, Tn
    So much for having opposable thumbs.

    That Savage ML is actually a fine gun. I can't blame Savage for what happened to this man. I blame the shooter.
     
  5. Firpo

    Firpo Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Aug 29, 2013
    Yorba Linda, Ca
  6. Broot

    Broot Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2015
    Iowa
    Won't dispute that it's a fine gun, or try to put them blame on Savage. Indeed, it's the shooter who blew himself up.

    Know your gun!
     
  7. howlnmad

    howlnmad Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Nov 26, 2008
    Harriman, Tn
    A friend of mine has one and I've shot it several times. He uses 4227 powder in his.
     
  8. ms6852

    ms6852 Well-Known Member

    599
    Nov 15, 2008
    San Antonio Texas
    Won't be scratching his privates for a little while. Brings back memories of when I used to work at BAMC, and I would get a call that they needed an X-ray Tech to go x-ray body parts at the morgue or the ER.
     
  9. dons2346

    dons2346 Well-Known Member

    Dang, that is nasty
     
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  10. tedwitt

    tedwitt Well-Known Member Supporting Member

  11. Designer

    Designer Well-Known Member

    796
    May 28, 2016
    Ames, IA
    Aren't they all? If one chooses to do it wrong, that is. How could a muzzleloader be made to exclude smokeless powder?
     
  12. Broot

    Broot Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2015
    Iowa
    No, most are BP only.

    My wording was wrong. I have nothing against a muzzleloader capable of withstanding smokeless, but it seems wrong to advertise use of either. But, again, it's the shooters problem for not knowing the gun and proper use. Just like it would be if someone didn't put oil in an engine. The smokeless capable ML is an innovation, just like all others preceding it. And likewise, each innovation comes with new procedures which must be followed.
     
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  13. Designer

    Designer Well-Known Member

    796
    May 28, 2016
    Ames, IA
    Oh, I was not aware that any muzzleloaders were rated for smokeless powder until your post just now.

    And what is to prevent some daredevil to use smokeless in just about ANY muzzleloader? The consumer warnings may indemnify the manufacturer from liability, but there will always be someone stupid enough to not read the warnings.
     
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  14. jim brady

    jim brady Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2009
    Simla, Colorado
    Unfortunately you cannot engineer out 'stupid'. While I'm not bad-mouthing design evolution, I personally think that to produce a muzzle loader to be intended for use with either black powder or smokeless powder is a really, really BAD idea. If I had to take a SWAG - I'd bet that this poor fellow didn't follow the instructions for using this type of weapon. I'd also hazard a guess that the charge either wasn't measured - or the charge by volume was for black powder and smokeless was used instead.

    I figure that if you want to shoot a muzzle loader - use black powder. If cleaning a black powder fouled rifle, pistol or shotgun isn't 'your cup of tea', use a modern cartridge gun. I fully intend to leave this mortal earth with all of my original equipment and attachments reasonably intact. Think I'll pass on ever owning/shooting one of those.